Aldous Harding: The lost interview

Especially for New Zealand Music Month GARY STEEL disinters a 10-year-old interview with Aldous Harding conducted at the time of her debut album.

 

Gary Steel โ€“ Iโ€™ve got the flu, so if you hear me coughing and spluttering just ignore it.

Aldous Harding โ€“ I got swine flu when it was going around earlier. I was on my back for four days just sweating into a mattress. It was awful.

Gary โ€“ Itโ€™s gone through every conceivable permutation, and now itโ€™s lodged in my sinuses. Music sounds like itโ€™s coming out of a tinfoil speaker. But anyway, enough about me.

Aldous โ€“ No, letโ€™s talk about you. Iโ€™m tired of talking about me. [laughs].

Gary โ€“ Have you done quite a few interviews lately?

Aldous โ€“ I did like an hour-long one last night, but no, Iโ€™m up for it.

Gary โ€“ Where are you calling from at the moment?

Aldous โ€“ Iโ€™m calling from my house on the hill.

Gary โ€“ Thatโ€™s in Lyttelton?

Aldous โ€“ Yeah.

Gary โ€“ Youโ€™ve lived there for a long time?

Aldous โ€“ About three or four years there.

Gary โ€“ I couldnโ€™t really find the normal detailed bio stuff that people normally have, like where you grew up, where youโ€™d spent most of your time, how old you are, that sort of thing. Do you mind filling in a bit of that stuff?

Aldous โ€“ No, absolutely not.

Gary โ€“ I donโ€™t need to know what your favourite colour is.

Aldous โ€“ My favourite colour is fire. [laughs]. We moved a wee bit when I was younger. I was born in Auckland, then we moved to Dunedin until I was about 11, then Mum met a guy and we moved onto his organic farm in Geraldine for 10 years and they got married.

Gary โ€“ This is the Waihi Bush, is it?

Aldousโ€“ Yeah, Waihi Bush.

Gary โ€“ I love that product.

Aldous โ€“ Itโ€™s great, isnโ€™t it. I havenโ€™t been taking it for a while, and I can really feel it. I should really get back onto that, Iโ€™m just a bit lazy.

[Says hello to her flatmates].

Aldous โ€“ So I finished my high school in Dunedin, and then I went overseas and then I came here at the end of 2008 I think it was.

Gary โ€“ What was your overseas expedition all about?

Aldous โ€“ Just to travel after highschool, do a bit of soul searching and wanky things like that, get out of my head a little bit, because after high school you can be pretty damaged, people arenโ€™t really human when theyโ€™re in high school are they, they kind ofโ€ฆ they can be quite cruel and justโ€ฆ itโ€™s very hard to learn who you want to become. Then I lived in Europe and Quebec for six months working in a cafรฉ.

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Gary โ€“ Were you a high school achiever, or did you know that you were heading towards being a singer-songwriter?

Aldous โ€“ I wasnโ€™t a moron [laughs]. I passed fine. I just didnโ€™t try very hard, because I didnโ€™t think that I would need school for whatever it was that I was going to do. I got university entrance, but I didnโ€™t want to go straight into university or anything like that. Yeah, I was alright, pretty good at some things and pretty terrible at other things. Attendance was my main issue. I spent a lot of time at home curled up in bed staring at the walls. Very healthy stuff. And then I moved to Lyttelton after all that.

Gary โ€“ When was it that you started getting seriously into playing music, and singing, and when did you start writing?

Aldous โ€“ I started writing songs in Dunedin. They were more just like poems, I didnโ€™t really know how to play the guitar. Well, I wrote one song called โ€˜Paradiseโ€™ which was sort of like this awful spoken word thing, like the intro to the Dune movie, that lady, a bit weird. But I didnโ€™t get really into it until I came back from overseas and my cousin was really into the guitar and we used to smoke a lot and then play and he taught me a couple of things as well, and then my Dad bought me a guitar, got me a guitar made for my 20th birthday, so that was when I really got into it, locked myself away and taught myself how to fingerpick and whatever.

Gary โ€“ You werenโ€™t really influenced by your Mum?

Aldous โ€“ Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. I wanted my own kind of, I wanted my own thing, I think I was quite resistance to her advice, just because โ€œI can do it Mum!โ€ And you know, we have our little tiffs about it but sheโ€™s really proud of what weโ€™re doing here and sheโ€™s quite happy to stay out of it now and just listen. Not that she was prying or anything butโ€ฆ My musicโ€™s pretty different to my Mumโ€™s. But I definitely started singing with her when I was little. ‘Edelweiss’, things like that. You know the โ€˜classicsโ€™.

Gary โ€“ Youโ€™ve both got that folk aspect to what you do, itโ€™s just that the inflexions are very different.

Aldous โ€“ Mmm.

Gary โ€“ And youโ€™ve both performed at One To One cafe on Ponsonby Road.

Aldous โ€“ Yeah. But Mum would have performed there when it was still the Atomic, maybe.

Gary โ€“ The album is so fully formed and so much of its own thing. Is that the realization of something thatโ€™s happened quite recently, or has your style, and have those songs been around for a while, kind of building up?

Aldous โ€“ Well โ€˜Hunterโ€™ is the oldest song. I wrote that about four years ago, and the rest are all kind of spread out over the last four years. And itโ€™s beenโ€ฆ Iโ€™ve found this line and Iโ€™m sticking with it, because it describes it pretty well. The albumโ€™s just about the story of a battle between good and evil thatโ€™s in everybody every day. Just the things that you let in, and the things that you let hunt you or get you down. And so all the songs are basically around that, they take different forms around that idea. Pretty standard stuff, really. Just you know, yeahโ€ฆ itโ€™s nothing nobody hasnโ€™t written about before, justโ€ฆ [laughs].

Gary โ€“ Well, thereโ€™s nothing new under the sun, itโ€™s how we articulate these things.

Aldous โ€“ Exactly. Yeah.

Gary โ€“ What strikes me is the nakedness and the level of intimacy, I guess. The willingness to make your voice soundโ€ฆ you donโ€™t even need to know what the stories are about to feel what youโ€™re saying. Thatโ€™s something you donโ€™t hear so much in contemporary music really. Do you feel vulnerable when youโ€™re doing that?

Aldousโ€“ No more vulnerable than I do all the time. So I guess itโ€™s just kind of likeโ€ฆ but singing my original songs can be a reminder I guess of how vulnerable I have felt. The songs donโ€™t frighten me anymore. There was a time when I used to listen to myself singing them and think โ€˜Iโ€™m not going to make it am I? This is some dark stuff!โ€™ But they donโ€™t frighten me anymore, and I hope people like them for the stories and understand that theyโ€™re not there to scare you or make you depressed. Itโ€™s more like you knowโ€ฆ yeahโ€ฆ I have burrito under my fingernails. I went out with a girlfriend last night and came home a bit drunk and demolished a takeaway burrito and I have it under my nails. So God knows where else it is. Iโ€™ll deal with that later, I guess!

Gary โ€“ Is that a Christchurch burrito?

Aldous โ€“ A Lyttelton burrito. Port Hole, good burrito. If youโ€™re ever in Lyttelton, come by the Port Hole, get yourself a burrito, stellar cuisine.

Gary โ€“ Youโ€™ve mentioned the darkness of the material. In reading about your performances it sounds like you leaven them with some quite humorous stuffโ€ฆ is that something youโ€™ve done consciouslyโ€ฆ Someone mentioned that you do some covers and things, do you still do that?

Aldous โ€“ Yeah.

Gary – Like Toto and things like that.

Aldous โ€“ Yeah, when we were touring we had a set that we followed. And we played for about an hour and a half and the first half was that we played the album through in the order itโ€™s recorded, and the second half Iโ€™d put my guitar down and weโ€™d do like a standup, and do all my favourite songs. I think itโ€™s justโ€ฆ I donโ€™t want people to leave feelingโ€ฆ Itโ€™s nice that they can feel my original songs, but I donโ€™t want to scare them, I donโ€™t want to make them feel like they wish they hadnโ€™t been there, and the covers that we do, theyโ€™re basically all my favourite songs. Like Totoโ€™s โ€˜Africaโ€™ is my favourite song of all time. Someone said โ€˜you wouldnโ€™t think soโ€™ and I was like โ€˜What? Why not?โ€™ Itโ€™s a great song! I guess itโ€™s a way to tell people that I wasnโ€™t intending to turn out this way, this weak andโ€ฆ I had dreams! I have ambitions to be a happy person. I think people find it quite interesting to seeโ€ฆ and it wasnโ€™t intentional. So many people said to me on tour: โ€˜Man you should ditch the covers because your songs are so much betterโ€™, and someone said it makes people lose respect for you. And I said โ€˜Well, anyone that doesnโ€™t like โ€˜Africaโ€™ by Toto quite frankly doesnโ€™t have my respect. Yeah, people were saying things like โ€˜ditch the shitty coversโ€™, โ€˜itโ€™s just cheesyโ€™, but we kind of do our own thing, and thereโ€™s also a chance for people to hearโ€ฆ itโ€™s a chance for Simon, my guitar player, to show people that heโ€™s definitely one of the best in the country โ€“ heโ€™d kill me for saying that, but he is. And it gives me a chance to show people that I can sing a lot louder than they thought that I could.

Gary โ€“ The album is such a mood piece โ€“ it does what an album should do, it carries you along the whole way. But it would be a heavy burden to carry to have to perform that set of songs as an album, without you being able to have a bit of fun with it as well.

Aldous โ€“ Yeah, I donโ€™t really have fun with the originals. My banter, it varies on how Iโ€™m feeling, but usually itโ€™s pretty light. I donโ€™t just burst into tears and start running around for something sharp or anything. I just tell people, โ€˜This oneโ€™s a bit heavy, but youโ€™ll get over itโ€™, you know. โ€˜Weโ€™ll get through it togetherโ€™. Because without all the anxieties, without all that, Iโ€™m actually a pretty fun person, but for awhile I was struggling to see that part of me. I dunno, whatever.

Gary โ€“ In terms of your singing style, itโ€™s a very unusual enunciation.

Aldous โ€“ Umโ€ฆ umโ€ฆ

Gary – Is it something you just found yourself doing?

Aldous โ€“ The songs that I wanted to writeโ€ฆ they just didnโ€™t soundโ€ฆ like I couldnโ€™t sing them any other way, and now thatโ€™s my voice, and thatโ€™s how I do things now. I find it really, like it comes quite naturally, but itโ€™s quite a challenging way to sing because itโ€™s always shifting, and when you write different songs, it requires you to do different stuff with your throat and your face, to be able to pronounce certain words with those afflictions [sic] of the voice. Itโ€™s good for me because it keeps it strong and it keeps it interesting andโ€ฆ yeahโ€ฆ some people say that I sound a bit Celtic, but I donโ€™t know where that came from, I wasnโ€™t trying to do that. [Sings something like โ€˜your nipples been woollyโ€™โ€ฆ???]


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Gary โ€“ Itโ€™s hard to imagine the same songs in a broad Kiwi accent.

Aldous โ€“ It pays not to think about it. [laughs].

Gary โ€“ I can imagine that some people would say itโ€™s an affectation, and some people will say that, but you just need to look at a huge variety of songwriters, all of whom have their ownโ€ฆ actorโ€™s hat.

Aldous โ€“ Absolutely, I donโ€™t worry at all about what peopleโ€ฆ the way people feel about my voice and what Iโ€™m trying to do with it. Itโ€™s not part ofโ€ฆ theyโ€™re meant to serve the songs. If I wanted to write songs that danced well with the Kiwi accent then I would, but I donโ€™t, and I donโ€™t think I ever will feel that I want to do that, and Iโ€™m happy with the way my voice has evolved, and like I said itโ€™s a challenging way for me to sing. And you can sing any way you want to, and itโ€™s your right as a performer to sing any way you want to. Itโ€™s like Aldous, I wanted to change my first name so that I didnโ€™t feel so attached to everything that I do with this project. It is what it is.

Gary โ€“ One thing that strikes meโ€ฆ in many ways for me, as a listening experience, itโ€™s the sound of the voice, first and foremost. I know youโ€™ve talked about it a bit in other interviews, the almost drone-like aspect and the way the songs move along at their own pace, and you end up listening to the finer modulations of your voice. Amazing record.

Aldous โ€“ Iโ€™m glad you like it. I like to hear when people like it. I havenโ€™t heard anyone say they donโ€™t like it yet, but there are probably plenty of people who donโ€™t like it, but youโ€™re not going to tell someone you donโ€™t like their record.

Gary โ€“ Youโ€™ll find someone somewhere, but donโ€™t take it personally.

Aldous โ€“ I never do.

Gary โ€“ In terms of the production and so forth, how did you hook up with Ben Edwards?

Aldous โ€“ Heโ€™s an old friend of mine, and he recorded Ben and Delaney, and theyโ€™ve just started up Lyttelton Records, but I knew him long before that. We had talked about doing an album a couple of years ago, but of course with the earthquake and a bunch of other stuff it just took much longer than we thought it would. I love recording with Ben. He knows who I am and he knows more or less what I want, and itโ€™s like working with family. Making a record with him and Marlon was my ideal setup.

Gary โ€“ Is it true that everyone had to piss in a pot?

Aldous โ€“ Yeah, we had to piss in a bucket under the Wunderbar. There was a space that we were using under the Wunderbar and it didnโ€™t have a toilet or anything. It still doesnโ€™t have a toilet. But the place was really good, it was really big, and we set up everything in this kind of warehouse, and there was just a big white bucket and we all did wees in it.

Gary โ€“ Where you recorded was it an actual studio orโ€ฆ

Aldous โ€“ No, we just set it up. Put the instruments and the mikes and stuff in there. And a desk for Ben. It just looks basically like a carpark underground.

Gary โ€“ Because itโ€™s a really nice-sounding record.

Aldous โ€“ Yeah, it wasnโ€™t all recorded there. Half of it was, and half of it was recorded at Benโ€™s studio, which is coming along, and I really recommend anyone wanting to make a record toโ€ฆ donโ€™t overwhelm the bastardโ€ฆ to have a go at recording there, because itโ€™s just such a good space and he is a lunatic. And he fosters puppies, they take in puppies, and look after them until they get homes, and make sure they go to a good home. So the place is usually filled with little dogs. Which is quite nice, for the anxious. So if youโ€™re having a bad acid trip just find the dog, find the dog. I know you probably canโ€™t put that in the magazine.

Gary โ€“ I can try.

Aldous โ€“ You can try. I donโ€™t want people to be mistaken and think that I do take acid because I donโ€™t because Iโ€™m not an idiot.

Gary โ€“ And what of the future?

Aldous โ€“ Iโ€™m probably going to start distributing the record in Australia and Europe and Asia. And then Iโ€™m going to be opening for Tiny Ruins up in Auckland, and Lawrence Arabia, at the Crystal Palace, and then Iโ€™ll play with Marlon, and then Iโ€™m going to do a little mini tour in Australia, of Melbourne and Sydney, just play some shows.

Gary โ€“ Youโ€™ve made some connections with international labels?

Aldousโ€“ Yeah, I donโ€™t know how they did it but they found me, so I have to make some decisions I guess.

Gary โ€“ Have you got a lot of songs, a lot more than the 9 on the album?

Aldous โ€“ There are a few more, but they werenโ€™t part of the album I wanted to make. I donโ€™t have too many more, to be honest. Maybe three or four more.

Gary โ€“ So you belong to the meticulous school of songwriting.

Aldous โ€“ Yeah.

Gary โ€“ How old are you?

Aldous โ€“ 23.

Gary โ€“ Wow, just a young โ€˜un.

Aldous โ€“ Just a baby. [laughs] So you can expect some pretty average things from me in the future.

Gary โ€“ Youโ€™ve got the big sell-out tour to look forward to and the compromised edition.

Aldous โ€“ Lose all my hair, grow my tits down to the ground.

Gary โ€“ Lovely talking to you.

Aldous โ€“ I look forward to reading about myself.

 
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Steel has been penning his pungent prose for 40 years for publications too numerous to mention, most of them consigned to the annals of history. He is Witchdoctor's Editor-In-Chief/Music and Film Editor. He has strong opinions and remains unrepentant. Steel's full bio can be found here

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  1. THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD INTERVIEW! IN MORE RECENT ONES, HER MEANING CAN BE OBSCURE. Don’t know why this is all caps, sorry.

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